Proverbs 4:5-7
Proverbs 4:5-7
Jesus is Not Yet a God
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However he did NOT say 'my Lord God of the world' or 'God of everything'.
It was an expression... 'compared to me you are my god'.
Even today we have expressions like...O.M.G... O my God. We should say, & once people did say... 'O my Lord God'.
He was right in saying "My Lord" you are my God as He becomes Lord God of the Earth.
Then directly after, in John 20:31, it states ... "But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God". Not God or The Supreme God.
Messiah means 'the chosen one' & son of God is Jesus...
what we have is...
The Holy Spirit in everything.
Inside God - inside Jesus - inside every living thing
Each a Duality
Jesus was calling out to our Father when God's powers left Jesus' body.
Most Christian churches today teach that Jesus is God and at the same time preach of a Holy trinity that is supposed to consist of God, Jesus & The Holy Spirit.
As no one has heard the sound of God’s voice it may not have been an audible noise but a psychic knowing thus accounting for the fact not everyone heard ‘the voice’… However as it referred to Jesus as ‘His son’ it is recognition that Jesus was NOT God when God was in heaven.
Matthew 24:36 ... " about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. "
The son, Jesus, is making a statement that only His Father knows the day of judgement. If they were one & the same Jesus would also know when that day would be.
Matthew 26:39…he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father’
Jesus was NOT praying to Himself !
Matthew 27:46...My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me ?
Matthew 28:18…All power is given unto me.
God is The Supreme All – Powerful one & only.
No one gave God His powers as such Jesus could not be God when He states His power was given to Him.
Jesus’ prayer to God…Our Father… For thine is The Kingdom & The Power for ever and ever...
It is God His Father that gives Jesus His powers… IF & when God concurs.
Mark 2:10…But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority.
Jesus has authority as given to Him by God.
Mark 5:30… Who touched my clothes ?
The All - Knowing God would have known who touched Him.
Luke 2:52... And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature… christ.org
God is All Wise & does not need to learn. Since Jesus did not know everything, he was not all-knowing, and therefore, he cannot be the Supreme God.
Luke 6:12…he continued all night in prayer to God.
Jesus was NOT praying all night to Himself !
Luke 11:2…When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.
The Lord Jesus’ prayer to our Father… is Not a prayer to H Himself.
Luke 18:19… “Why do you call me good ?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
Jesus could not be any clearer. He is saying He is NOT God.
Luke 22:42… I do not seek my own will, but the will of Him who sent me.
Here Jesus explains He is merely carrying out God’s requirements not His own.
Luke 23:34…Jesus said, Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing.
Jesus had to ask His Father to forgive them because He was not able.
If Jesus was God He would not have to ask anyone.
Luke 22:43… An angel from heaven appeared to him
and strengthened him – in the garden of Gethsemane’
God would not need an angel to strengthen Him but
the Lord God Jesus would.
John 5:19… The son can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father doing.
John 5:30… By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
Meaning things must be approved of and enacted in heaven first before materializing on earth.
John 5:27… And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.
“He” is God who gave Jesus authority to judge.
John 6:38… For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of Him that sent me.
Jesus is saying He has His own distinct will for which may be different.
As such it is testimony to the fact that the so called Trinity doctrine is false as they should all have the same will.
John 6:57…I live because of the Father.
Jesus only lives because His Father made Him be alive. As Jesus depends on God for his own
existence He can not be The Supreme Creator God.
John 7:16… My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me.
Jesus here is saying He does not know everything as He has to be taught by His Father.
His Father, God, is all knowing.
Jesus is not all knowing & had to be taught as such He can NOT be The Supreme God !
John 8:17-18… “In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true.
I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.”
Again He states He has His own opinions & ideas that could be different from His Father.
If He was part of a so called ‘Trinity’, as being suggested by many of today’s theologians, as being a single entity made up of three, He would not have stated “ I testify for myself. “
He should have said, if He was a part of a trinity… ‘My testimony is the same as my Father & The Holy Spirit for we are one entity’. Or words to that effect.
John 11:41...Then Jesus looked up to heaven and said, “Father, thank you for hearing me.
You always hear me, but I said it out loud for the sake of all these people standing here, so that they will believe you sent me.”
Here Jesus is making the distinction between Himself and God so that we, the people, know that Jesus gets His power from God in heaven when He normally prays for miracles in silence.
John 14:1…Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me.
If Jesus was God, He would not have to asked us to consider that God’s testimony was apart from His own.
John 14:28… My Father is greater than I.
Jesus never told his disciples to worship Him because His Father was the greatest.
John 17:3… so that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.
Here He tells us God is the true God & that He sent Jesus to testify concerning Him.
Acts 2:22… Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, ‘a man’ approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know...
This is saying “A man” (Jesus) was approved to conduct God’s miracles.
Acts 3:13…The God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. Acts 4:27…The God of our fathers raised Jesus’ your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed. Act 4:30…of Your holy servant Jesus.
Jesus here is referred to as a servant of God. Not God !
Acts 10:38… he went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.
Healing was made possible as God was with Him.
Acts 17:31…He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed.
He, God will judge the world via a man, Jesus whom God appointed. Two different entities.
Hebrews 2:9…But we do see Jesus, who was ‘made’ lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.
As Jesus was made by God how can Jesus be God ?
Hebrews 4:1...but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.
As stated in James 1:13…God cannot be tempted by evil.
Since God cannot be tempted, but Jesus was, therefore, Jesus was not God.
Hebrews 5 : 7… During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he
offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears
to the one who could save him from death, and he was
heard because of his reverent submission.
God cannot die. So why would Jesus, if He was God , cry
about His impending death ?
Hebrews 5:8… Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered.
If Jesus was God He would not need to learn from His suffering.
The following verse is a favourite of the Christian Churches today sighting it as proof Jesus is God...
John 8:58... Jesus answered... “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am” !
He was not saying He was God because the traditional Judaism translation is... "I will be what I will be."
"I am" can rightly be said by anyone when referring to before being born as we are all a part of our Father.
In addition all can say before being born "I am" whoever I have been designated to become.
or ..."I am" who I choose to be for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Matthew...19:12.
It has been stated that Christians started to say Jesus was God after the Roman emperor Constantine converted to Christianity & stopped calling himself god as all previous Roman emperors had done before 313 AD.
This served as a reason for many others to join the Christian movement as it implied there was only one God & all other gods were inferior.
Many Christians refer to John 20:28 as proof that Jesus was God when Thomas said to Jesus... “My Lord and my God !” when Jesus asked him to put his finger into His wounds.
If we take what Thomas said as a truth, that Jesus was God, then John 20:31 causes a contradiction because it clearly states Jesus is the son of God... NOT God !
This would also cause a further contradiction with Hebrews 2:7, here it states in the beginning God 'made' Jesus just like He made everything. (and did set Jesus over the works of God's hands).
His expression "I and the father are one" is also used in describing men & women who get married as in Genesis 2:24 "man is united to his wife, and they become one flesh".
We know they are not literary one flesh. Meaning they can become one flesh in their offspring.
& Galatians 3:28..." for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
Meaning Jesus does not discriminate. It does not mean that we are all just one entity. The Christ consciousness is now in all of us but we are not Christ & like Jesus we have free will.
John 14:8-11...Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father' ? … Believe me that I am 'in' the Father and the Father is 'in' me...
He did not say 'I am the Father'.
1 Corinthians 8:4-6...“There is no God but one. For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”, yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came (astral) and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came (physical) and through whom we live.
C&P...There is but one God & there is but one Lord Jesus Christ.
"All for one & one for all " is an expression used but again it does not mean all are literally one entity. We just act 'as one' because we have the same purpose.
These verses & many more are indications that Jesus never actually called Himself God.
He was saying He is the Lord God of earth like our Father is God of heaven. When God is in earth He and Jesus are the same. (same powers as given).
How can there be a trinity if they say there are only two-
God & The Holy Spirit ?
The Holy Spirit, among many other things, is what drives a one celled creature want to live, stay, safe and multiply.
Numbers 23:19... God is not a man, that he should lie; neither "the son of man", that he should repent... Here, in the Old Testament, Son of man aside from meaning all humans is also referring to the Messiah yet to incarnate.
Son of man is a phrase in the Bible, used over 80 times, mostly as quoted by Jesus while He was referring to himself in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark & Luke.
John uses the phrase 10 times but anecdotally different from the Synoptic Gospels.
Matthew 3:16-17... a voice from heaven said. This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.
It is obvious, at times, the transcribers / authors of the Bible often wrote God when it should have clearly been Lord God or vice versa. Albeit those errors were deliberate or not.
The Supreme Creator God should have be used to distinguish between a god, lord, Lord & Lord God of Earth. Note the capitalization.
Jesus is saying - as no person can see God, & as Jesus has in Him the consciousness of God's essence; as indeed a part of that essence in Jesus is made up of from His inheritance, after He was made, then we should believe in Jesus as we believe in God. He is not saying He is God.
Below are only a few of the verses that all indicate that Jesus becomes an Almighty Lord God of
When Jesus is in heaven He is God's son awaiting judgement day to become an Almighty God of Earth. His Father, the Supreme God of Creation with power Jesus has not yet acquired.
He was one in the same...
Like God like Jesus
Like father like son.
Pontius Pilate could not find Jesus guilty of blasphemy.
Meaning the accusations made that Jesus was calling Himself God were not proven.
Many quote John 10:30...Jesus said "I and the Father are one.".... Along with " Before Abraham I am."
Then, after saying that, Jesus was accused of blasphemy because they said He was calling himself God. Jesus answers those questioning Him by saying...
...“Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’ ?
The explanation relates to the term Elohim, for which means God in Hebrew when referring to The Supreme Heavenly God of Creation.
When referring to earthly people Elohim could also be referring to magistrates, judges & other people who hold positions of authority.
As such Jesus could have also been saying that He was just like them in holding a position in Earth of an authoritarian figure.
John 10:37-38....Is a favored quote used that is supposed to prove Jesus is God.
"Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”
but before making that statement is John 10 :33 it states ... “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
But Jesus explains that He was not saying He was God just that the Father is in Him just like the Father is in all souls &... ...Ecclesiastes 12:7
see : origin life from dust wind
John 10 :34... Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods" ?
John 10 :36 ..."Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’ ?
"What about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world ?
Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, I am God’s Son" ?
Although they misinterpreted Him when He said ... The Father is in me, and I in the Father.” That does not mean He was saying He was God as He clearly explains He is the son of God sent to carry out God's will.
John 5:19… The son can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father doing.
John 5:30… By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
These two statements of Jesus can NOT be misinterpreted or be explained as meaning something else as Jesus makes it crystal clear He is a separate entity who needs the powers of God in order to perform miracles.
Isaiah 44:6...“Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god."
There is no other Lord God of earth just Jesus - the LORD of hosts Amos 4:13...all to do with things on & around the earth.
The LORD God Almighty of earth. Not The Supreme God of All Creation.
Another favourite verse of the modern Christian, that is said to show proof that Jesus is God is,
John 1:1...
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
“Word" in Greek is logos. Logos means... “reason” or “plan.” or reasons for the plan.
John 1:14...“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.“
Became flesh... NOT... was always flesh.
In the beginning the word was with God. A plan that only needed to be instigated if Lucifer were to try and take over from God (the reason for the plan).
Then after making Jesus, God gave the word to Him (crowned him) to use upon His incarnation into Earth to not only fight against, Lucifer (incarnate named Satan), but for the salvation of the fall of mankind.
John 17:18...As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world.
John 17:21...that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
God made Jesus & all souls. Then God sent Jesus into the world. Then Jesus made man's physical body the same as His own physical body & sent them into the world after Satan corrupted Adam & Eve.
John 1:18...No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
God does not have a physical body like mankind. Jesus was made with an essence of His Father but with a physical component making Him Lord God of Earth.
Philippians 2:5-6 “You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.”
We must not think we are better than our fellows if they do not believe. The same way that Jesus does not rely on His equality with God to be something used to make a point as when in earth He is equal to God because He gets His authority from God. In heaven He is not His Father's equal.
Luke 18:19… “Why do you call me good ? Jesus answered...“No one is good—except God alone".
Jesus could not be any clearer... He is saying He is NOT God.
John 10:29...My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.
No one, not even Jesus, can be greater than God because God is the greatest of them all.
John 5:30… By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
John 10:30...I and the Father are one.”
Jesus is saying He can do nothing without His father because He has to do what His father approves of Him doing.
Jesus was with the first to be created after the higher angels. Then He was set aside from the other higher angels and given extra powers.
He was the first to be sent to Earth & will be the last to be judged by His Father at the end of the era depending on, one may assume, the success He achieves in the souls He saved.
The number of souls saved may be God's deciding factor as to when Jugement occurs and when, as a consequence of reaching the required numbers, would be the end of this era & the start of the new era with a new earth headed by a new Almighty God-Jesus to come head of a new heaven here on Earth.
Only after the judgement will The Lord God Jesus become an Almighty God & join with His people on this Earthly Kingdom.
Revelations 21:3 …."And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look ! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them.
They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God."
Note: It says “God’s dwelling place is NOW among the people”.
That statement is about a future event when all souls, after God's judgement, will be forgiven & cleansed of sin thus enabling the newly anointed Lord God (Jesus), after He takes His throne, to be with His people & be their New God.
Revelation 1:8... “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Revelation 4:8... “’Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty,’ who was, and is, and is to come.”
Revelations 21:3... also means that previously (now) God’s dwelling place is NOT among the people.
Matthew 25: 31 ...“When the Son of Man comes in his glory and all his angels are with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.
God, up until judgement day, is in His dwelling place so why would He be active in Earth when He installed Jesus (Lord God) to finish His work ?
Another favorite quote by those who think Jesus is the one & only God is...
Isaiah 9:6..."For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace".
The mighty God of earth not the Supreme Creator God.
He will become earth's everlasting Father after judgement day and after the coming of the new earth when Jesus becomes an Almighty God of the new earth.
The most convincing statement that is proof that Jesus is not God comes from The Lord Himself...
Throughout Exodus the word God is hardly mentioned at all. That maybe because the God of the Israelites was Jesus yet to incarnate. To clarify this He states...
Exodus 6:2 " God said to Moses, “I am the LORD"...
He then adds, explaining to Moses in Exodus 6:3...
"I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty, but by my name the LORD I did not make myself fully known to them".
Here, conversely to what today's theologians want people to believe, Jesus is confessing to Moses He is the Lord & not The God Almighty but He let Abraham, Isaac & Jacob continue to believe that He was God Almighty.
How the modern day Christians can quote Corinthians 8:6 as proof that Jesus is God is incomprehensible when it clearly states "the one God" & "the one Lord Jesus Christ".
“ Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist (made in the astral), and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things exist. (Moulded into the physical.)
Through all things that Jesus moulded into physical existence as described in Genesis 2:4 is His account to God.
Jesus' name in Hebrew is “Yeshua” which translates to English as Joshua - meaning...
“He Brings into Existence Whatever Exists”
It was in regards to the 'materialization' of The Supreme God's 'visualization' that took place in the heavenly astral plane.
Those visualizations as described in Genesis 1:1 to Genesis 2:1 the vast array & God saw (a vision) of all that he had made, and it was very good.
Thank you.